need help on beans crossing info

[greenfinger]

Can I plant ONE variety of each bean/pea, next to each other, from each of these groups without worrying about crossing?

fava bean
runner bean
pole bean
bush bean
lima, bush or pole
cowpeas
english peas

[garnetmoth]

As far as I can tell, close. I think Bush and Pole cross, both being Phaseolus vulgaris

Good Luck!

[sarah31612]

I agree with Garnetmoth, if by pole and bush you are talking about the common bean varieties such as kidney, Great Lakes green, Pencil Pod yellow, pinto, Cherokee trail etc.

If you can get "Seed to Seed" by Susan Ashworth, it will answer a lot of questions. Distance each variety should be planted apart, growing zones, history etc. SSE is a great resource for all kinds of plant info. Also check out "Beans", an awesome book of bean recipes & trivia, by Aliza Green. Both have "been" offered by SSE.

I thought I crossed white limas with red kidneys accidentally, 13 years ago. They were planted right in the same plot. When harvested, one or two plants produced beans in two colors. I had never seen a two color bean. It was probably a mutation.

Last year I requested Potawami limas, that were red white & black. I grew them on a 200' fence, no barbs, just 2x4. It had 10' between poles, into which I alternately planted 3 cow peas, 2 pole limas, 2 tepary, fava, a soup pea and morning glories! I grew lentils, mung, chick & Kentucky Wonder bush in pots on deck.

[greenfinger]

Thankyou much.
Anyone know how long after a roundup spraying, it's safe to plant food? Or if beans are liked, or poisonous to horses? My neighbors are great, if I take over maintaining the fence line, they wouldn't kill my plants. Also, would I need a 'grid' or trellis, or does barb-less wire fence work as well.

[seeds]

Originally posted by greenfinger:

Thankyou much.
Anyone know how long after a roundup spraying, it's safe to plant food? Or if beans are liked, or poisonous to horses? My neighbors are great, if I take over maintaining the fence line, they wouldn't kill my plants. Also, would I need a 'grid' or trellis, or does barb-less wire fence work as well.

as long as you use round up a month before planting no it wont hurt ground. Do not spray after you plant garden . Use insecticide soap on veggies once they start to germinate! ~~~ seeeds

[sarah31612]

Originally posted by greenfinger:

... roundup spraying ... maintaining the fence line...

noooo don't do it! i'd much rather pour boiling water on the weeds. it's better than a controled burn with chemicals or fire! just remember to wear solid boots, nothing with holes and pour NOT DUMP. we put a short 4' one up, sp sight wasn't impared, but mainly to keep their dogs out...

Originally posted by greenfinger:

Can I plant ONE variety of each bean/pea, next to each other...

How's it work? what kind of harvest did you get?

Originally posted by smwlindy:

... our pole beans (KY Wonder on the trellis, Ideal Market on the tipi ...

again, LOVED ur photo! were the plants on the right Jerusalem artichokes? does the tipi collapse when not in use or did you build it peice by peice?

Originally posted by seeds:

... Do not spray after you plant garden . Use insecticide soap on veggies once they start to germinate! ...

i agree. what's the recipe you use?

[smwlindy]

Hi Greenfinger!
Castor beans are toxic to horses, but most beans are OK. Here is a good list of plants toxic to horses; if you look at it you would wonder how horses survive on pasture...but most pasture-raised horses have some sense about what they eat. http://www.manesandtailsorganization.org/toxic.html

With true pole beans you want to give them at least 8 feet of sturdy fence or trellis to climb, peas seem more polite & are happy with 4-5 feet or so, doesn't need to be too sturdy. This is how our pole beans (KY Wonder on the trellis, Ideal Market on the tipi in the background) looked at the end of July (less than 2 months growing)--the top of the trellis is 10' high. They are still growing...
Susan

[greenfinger]

Thanks for the info. I usually get a blank look when I ask if a plant is toxic to the horses. Your garden is so well behaved. Beautiful!

[sarah31612]

smwlindy~

I love your stone walkway. Are those Jerusalem artichokes on the right of your photo? Also, is the short fence to keep out?

I also grew runner and soy at the deck too! They were in the ground, so I don't have a pic.

[tickledtoad]

Roundup = BAD news...google the stuff. It's FAR more toxic than what monsanto has claimed...specially to amphibians, but to the rest of us too, and does have an extended residual effect! That garbage should not even be used on cement...then of course it will just drain into our water supply. History has shown us just how honest and accurate that company (and others in the same and similar businesses) has been about their products.
Toads eat an incredible number of slugs every night. If ya got toads, you don't need to be as concerned about slugs. Gardens are a microcosm that ideally have everything working together to produce the highest quality and quantity possible..only using things you are already growing for any "controls" desired. Strong vinegar or boiling water as mentioned are far better for weed control (a shovel works better yet...no energy use/carbon footprint other than your own )

[spacecase0]

some of you may know that roundup is what is causing (or making way worse) a new pathogen
it is a mid virus size fungus that infects plants and animals
it is far worse than anyone had ever thought before
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/newPathogenI...adyGMCrops.php

you would be better off salting your fields to kill plants

[cow parsnip]

tickletoad--i defer to you to start a thread discussing how to encourage the presence of toads in the garden.

[ChristinaJoMD]

Originally posted by greenfinger:

Can I plant ONE variety of each bean/pea, next to each other, from each of these groups without worrying about crossing?

fava bean
runner bean
pole bean
bush bean
lima, bush or pole
cowpeas
english peas

I look at the Scientific latin names.

The Genius can be the same, but the species name have to be different so they WON'T cross. If the species name is the same they WILL cross.

I think this is how it goes.....

[sarah31612]

they aren't in order of where they were planted, but see the other post as to what was planted next to each other... will edit later. i got to feed our chicks!

[BeanMan]

Dry beans, Phaseolus vulgaris, are about 99% self pollinated. You can plant different cultivars side by side and get only about 1% outcrossing. It takes one of the larger Apidea (bumble bee) with a long proboscis to transfere pollen.