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  • Where are the True Shallots???

    My first post here and am a new SSE member.

    I have a large french garden in Spokane, WA and would like to plant true french shallots. I can find the little gray ones, but where are the larger ones? All I can find from the seed companies are the seeded varieties of multiplier onions they call "Shallots". Neither can you order certified Shallots from France due to political BS. Does anyone know where I can find some???

    Thanks,

    Sean

  • #2
    French shallot's varietal names include Pikant, Atlas, Ambition, Ed's Red, and Creation. Try looking for them that way. I only grow the French Grey.

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    • #3
      Those are some of the varieties that I am seeing, and at least for Ambition it is clear that this it is often seed propagated and has descriptions that indicate it is "similar", "most like", "tastes like" and "looks like" a french Shallot. My understanding is that a true French Shallot, or Traditional Shallot, can only be propagated vegetativly, never from seed, and that these cheaper to mass produce seed varieties are all new comers, and are actually onions. I would just love for some information to the contrary if anyone has any???

      Where are the "l'échalote traditionnelle" varities? They are commonly grown throughout France, but from what I can gather online only the seeding varieties are available.

      Has anyone seen or heard of any of these?
      ELISOR,
      JERMOR
      LONGOR
      PESANDOR
      VIGARMOR
      ARVRO
      DELVAD
      MIKOR
      GRISELLE
      GRISOR

      Here is a translated description of the issue:

      By decision of the European Court of Justice in 2006, the name shallot, hitherto historically only permitted for plants propagated from bulbs planted (vegetative propagation) is now possible for newly created varieties from seed (in provided, however, that they are sufficiently "aggregatum" Aggregatum meaning "strong ability to division." A study based on a scientific protocol over two years must demonstrate before these varieties can not be included in the European Catalogue ,). These varieties called "onions from seed" can not be confused by the consumer with the varieties planted, which are now identified as that "traditional shallots" .

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      • #4
        Ambition, Atlas, and Creation are Échalotes de semis, not Échalotes de tradition. All 3 are hybrids which are grown from seed. There's at least 25 true shallots listed in the 2012 SSE Yearbook but only Griselle is offered from your list.

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        • #5
          I joined only last month, and never got a paper copy of the 2012 yearbook AND the online database got cleared... wow i just figured out how to search the history. I am sure that a bunch of these would be fantastic... If only I could find someone that still has any?

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          • #6
            Hey HerrGothic,
            Sorry for the confusion on the 2012 Yearbook... We typically send them out as part of the membership through March, and then upon request (to members) for $5 as they are available. If you'd still like one for this year, please let me know (PM me)... just hard to say, who is still sending anything...
            Let me know if I can answer any questions for you... I'm sorry if it was a bit misleading.
            Thanks!
            Laura

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            • #7
              Elisor is a newly created (2008) shallot between Jersey (red) and Longor. Thompson & Morgan carries Golden Gourmet, Picasso, Longor, Pesandro, Eschalote Grise,Red Sun, Hative de Niort, and Jermor (Jersey).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zebraman View Post
                Elisor is a newly created (2008) shallot between Jersey (red) and Longor. Thompson & Morgan carries Golden Gourmet, Picasso, Longor, Pesandro, Eschalote Grise,Red Sun, Hative de Niort, and Jermor (Jersey).
                I looked at Thompson & Morgan and they only ship Shallots within the UK!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Laura-SSE View Post
                  Hey HerrGothic,
                  Sorry for the confusion on the 2012 Yearbook... We typically send them out as part of the membership through March, and then upon request (to members) for $5 as they are available. If you'd still like one for this year, please let me know (PM me)... just hard to say, who is still sending anything...
                  Let me know if I can answer any questions for you... I'm sorry if it was a bit misleading.
                  Thanks!
                  Laura
                  Hi Laura, I am all good, just still learning the ropes. I am an amateur gardener and am especially new to seed saving. Thank you for helping

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                  • #10
                    I called friends who live in London. They placed the order that I wanted and will ship to me when they receive them. If you don't have friends in England I would suggest that you also join other Garden/Seed sharing sites that also have Euro. members.

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                    • #11
                      sources for grey shallots

                      http://www.southernexposure.com/grey...oz-p-1441.html


                      Kitchen Garden has grey shallots, not specifically labeled as Griselle.
                      http://www.kitchengardenseeds.com/cg...5&_category=32


                      Hope this helps.

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                      • #12
                        http://www.kitchengardenseeds.com/index.html also carries French Red Shallots

                        http://www.johnnyseeds.com/ Carries Pikant. They are currently out of stock but should be back in the Fall.

                        http://www.territorialseed.com/category/257

                        http://www.farmfreshliving.com/ has Red Picasso

                        http://www.lundproduce.com/ Also has Shallots.

                        http://heirloomonions.com/?page_id=84 French Red "Echalotte Traditionnelle"
                        http://froggymeadowfarm.com/id3.html also sells French Red
                        Last edited by zebraman; 09-08-2012, 06:46 PM. Reason: another url

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                        • #13
                          And if all else fails and you're still bent on growing something other than those little grays, I have a decent supply of Goldens on hand. Half-pound plus box would cost me a little over $3 postage. Always willing to help out another allium fan at cost.

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                          • #14
                            Thank you everyone for your help. I ended up placing orders in a few locations. From Territorial I went with the Sante shallot and some grey's. I like the fact that for the Sante they showed a cut of the bulb showing multiple cores. I also ordered some French Reds from a farm and should be getting some French Reds from Abundant Life Seeds too.

                            The large Jersey type shallots I see on French and UK websites just aren't available anywhere in the US. If anyone ever finds any let me know. I will also try carefully scan the 2013 SSE catalog too.

                            Sean

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                            • #15
                              what ever happened to the Prince de Bretagne shallots that I used to get from France via a produce merchant in Chicago? I distributed them widely in SSE, but nobody seems to be offering them. what a shame!

                              Gray or Griselle shallot is a different species, Alllium oschaninii, from the other shallots, which are A. cepa var. aggregatum. This from Dr. Peter Hanelt, my former correspondent at Gatersleben. Top onions are A. x proliferum, often mistakenly called Egyptian, although they are not from there, but are probably are garden cross of cepa and fistulosum which must have occurred many times, given the range of colors, flavors and other characteristics.

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